Post by Jewel Leigh on Feb 7, 2013 18:45:36 GMT -5
Typical cheerleaders that aren't ambitious? Gryffindor. I mean, cheerleaders have to be bold, right?
That is a good point, veryweirdperson (do you have better name to call you? I almost feel like I'm insulting you!). You can care enough to do the "right" thing without actually being loyal. Like I don't gossip about people's secrets, regardless of personal loyalty. I might also help someone I barely know, and that's not because I'm loyal.
Maybe that's just Slytherin way to look at it, Euca? Because for you if don't have trust, then there is no point to the loyalty?
I know I've been loyal to people I don't trust. I had a friend once that I didn't trust at all. I knew she would gossip behind my back and wouldn't hesitate to turn her back on me completely (which she eventually did). But yet, I stayed loyal to her, being there for her and I wouldn't join in other people's conversations to talk bad about her. I was on my friend's side even though I didn't trust her past my finger tip. Perhaps I wasn't loyal in every way; it's not like I would tell her my own secrets, but there was a certain amount of loyalty there. Maybe it goes back to the care idea. I cared about her, so I wanted to treat her right.
I also trust people without loyalty. Like I trust most of the people I work with - I trust them to do a good job and even trust them to be kind to me. But I'm not loyal. I could never speak to them again and I don't feel like I owe them anything. Will I be nice to them? Most likely, but that's because I respect them and that's it.
I know a lot of people will be loyal to a particular company or group of co-workers. I'm not: I'm far too independent. I don't give loyalty at work or ask for loyalty in return. Unless I or them have given their word to do something, but then it's all about being loyal to your word and responsible to what you agreed to do.
Balance is very important. If everyone took the Slytherin approach and just went for what they wanted, I think we would be dealing with a lot of fighting. As annoying as the tiptoeing around an issue can be, that's needed in some amounts to keep from the explosions from happening. The tiptoeing seems more of a Hufflepuff ideal than Gryffindors. No doubt that Gryffindors can cause stampedes in their approach. Ravenclaws wouldn't tiptoe: they just stay out of the way, doing their own thing.
That is a good point, veryweirdperson (do you have better name to call you? I almost feel like I'm insulting you!). You can care enough to do the "right" thing without actually being loyal. Like I don't gossip about people's secrets, regardless of personal loyalty. I might also help someone I barely know, and that's not because I'm loyal.
Maybe that's just Slytherin way to look at it, Euca? Because for you if don't have trust, then there is no point to the loyalty?
I know I've been loyal to people I don't trust. I had a friend once that I didn't trust at all. I knew she would gossip behind my back and wouldn't hesitate to turn her back on me completely (which she eventually did). But yet, I stayed loyal to her, being there for her and I wouldn't join in other people's conversations to talk bad about her. I was on my friend's side even though I didn't trust her past my finger tip. Perhaps I wasn't loyal in every way; it's not like I would tell her my own secrets, but there was a certain amount of loyalty there. Maybe it goes back to the care idea. I cared about her, so I wanted to treat her right.
I also trust people without loyalty. Like I trust most of the people I work with - I trust them to do a good job and even trust them to be kind to me. But I'm not loyal. I could never speak to them again and I don't feel like I owe them anything. Will I be nice to them? Most likely, but that's because I respect them and that's it.
I know a lot of people will be loyal to a particular company or group of co-workers. I'm not: I'm far too independent. I don't give loyalty at work or ask for loyalty in return. Unless I or them have given their word to do something, but then it's all about being loyal to your word and responsible to what you agreed to do.
Balance is very important. If everyone took the Slytherin approach and just went for what they wanted, I think we would be dealing with a lot of fighting. As annoying as the tiptoeing around an issue can be, that's needed in some amounts to keep from the explosions from happening. The tiptoeing seems more of a Hufflepuff ideal than Gryffindors. No doubt that Gryffindors can cause stampedes in their approach. Ravenclaws wouldn't tiptoe: they just stay out of the way, doing their own thing.