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Post by Euca on Jan 3, 2013 14:09:44 GMT -5
I completely agree. Draco's character has so much potential! If he allies with Harry and the Light, there's so much scope for any author to show to his readers the point of view of someone on the other side. And like you said, Slytherin needed its moments. Its hard to make that balance but there are definitely ways to do it.
I personally don't like Hermione as much. She's definitely strong and independent and smart, but I don't think I could write about her because I wouldn't know how to develop her character. *shrugs* But I suppose Draco and her could work as a couple. I just dont read a lot of Dramione fics because of the way they're written. I can't deal with these sudden changes in character that people associate with falling in love. Draco could fall in love with her, but that doesn't mean he would suddenly become good. Most writers ignore the fact that they are different in a lot of ways; the families they come from, their beliefs, experiences, personalities... these can all be the cause of conflict in their relationship. I feel that in order to write any relationship successfully, it's not just about identifying the things that make it work, but also the things that don't. There has to be a transition period where gradual changes in the person's character eliminate some of the causes of conflict, which is what is missing in a lot of fics.
I really like Ron. There are a lot of things that I do feel make him less likable, but there's something about him that makes me like him nonetheless. I think it's partly because his character is so simple. Most of the characters I like are those who have tragic pasts or complicated lives; the ones who have many layers to them which ultimately causes all their relationships to be complicated as well. With Ron, everything is so simple and straightforward. And thats why I like him and Hermione together, because while I can see that they may not work as a couple, I just find the simplicity of their relationship really interesting. Mostly, I prefer people and relationships where things are as messed up as they can get, but it's good to see one that's not messed up.
I just realized that Harry and Hermione would work quite well together. I think that if they fell in love, it would just be something natural that was bound to happen. They're not too different like Hermione and Draco are, but their relationship has sufficient scope for development despite that. It's also a lot easier to see why their relationship can be successful. They're such good friends, they've spent a lot of time together and been through so much. They can probably understand and support each other better than anyone else. I think their relationship would be the most natural, unlike Harry and Ginny, which seemed kind of forced.
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Post by The Taco on Jan 5, 2013 17:05:43 GMT -5
Wow... That is quite a lot to say, Euca. And I read all of it except the thing about Ron. Because I really don't like him.
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Euca
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Post by Euca on Jan 5, 2013 17:51:52 GMT -5
Ah sorry that was quite a rant...
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Post by Rhindon on Jan 5, 2013 19:24:48 GMT -5
I like Draco. he's my favorite. Not in the last book because he became weak. Id rather him just be all the way bad, because then he is at least using his good traits too - ambition, charm, and determination. Instead, he became an inactive bore. i dont want him evil but evil is better than boring.
Draco with Hermione is ok. but not if he gets changed into a love-sick dope.
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Post by Jewel Leigh on Jan 5, 2013 22:11:43 GMT -5
It’s not that I just wanted Slytherin to have it’s moment (which I did), but I also wanted an acknowledgement that ALL of the houses are important: that all points of view and all different skills are needed. Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff are generally described as “good,” but never important, and there’s a difference.
Slytherin, of course, comes off the worst as being “purely evil.” The only exception is Snape, and he could hardly be described as good. Which is fine, because he’s a great character, but to have him as the main Slytherin hero or antihero - well, still doesn’t balance the houses out. Oh, and the worst part is that the majority of readers / internet people have taken his death and his bravery and say that he “died as a Gryffindor.”
Because obviously, only a Gryffindor can die for a cause. <sarcastic>
Snape died with NO ONE in the entire world knowing his true allegiance. Nothing more Slytherin than that.
Anyway, Gryffindor is always portrayed as being the most important. Even Rowling has said in interviews that she thinks Gryffindor is the best - more or less - and it shows in the books.
I’m not a big Ron fan. I like him as a friend to Harry, because Harry needs the friend that livens him up. Plus, the book series needed some comic relief (if Draco and Hermione were Harry’s best friends, the tone would be serious all the time).
Ron and Hermione’s relationship is too simple and at the same time way too complicated. Personality wise they are always clashing, fighting, yet Rowling has made their lives and relationship end simple. I can see Ron wanting a simple life, but Hermione has SO much more potential. She needs to change the wizardry world with new ideas.
The epilogue in DH made is seem like all that the main heroes managed to accomplish was breed. It was a dissatisfying notion.
Neville was actually the only one shown to have *done* something. And he was only mentioned.
On Harry/Hermione - what I love about them is that they actually have a very good relationship. Of all the characters, I would say they have the strongest relationship.
Ron/Hermione are always bickering.
Ron/Harry - Ron has left Harry in fits of jealous on more than one occasion.
Harry/Ginny - It seems that much of their relationship is lust-based. Or Ginny has a crush on Harry for his fame, and then Harry just randomly noticed her for her looks. They don’t even have much of an actual relationship.
Harry/Hermione - their relationship is strong. They are always there for one another, they trust each other, are loyal to each other, and care strongly for each other. They communicate well, and.... they know each other. They listen to each other. I think the *only* reason I don’t ship them is because I like their friendship and I like the idea of such a strong friendship.
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Euca
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Post by Euca on Jan 6, 2013 18:22:34 GMT -5
I didn't like that Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff were not represented as equally important. I think it would have been cool if Hermione had been sorted into Ravenclaw. I suppose the point was to have all 3 of them together and stuff, but it might have helped highlight Ravenclaw's importance and introduced some more characters. I mean there's mainly only Luna and Cho, who's stupid and annoying.
I never like this bias for the 'good' side. Thats why I feel it was important to develop some characters on the other side like Draco and maybe Lucius. And I definitely agree with you on the whole Snape dying as a Gryffindor thing. Dying for a cause doesn't make you a Gryffindor! He was actually the perfect character to show that Slytherins aren't just evil and that they can use all the qualities that define Slytherin to actually do good. Same goes for Draco; Rowling showed that he was not pure evil and didn't have it in him to murder people in cold blood or torture them and stuff. But she made him cowardly and scared and indecisive. Personally, I feel that one isn't a Slytherin if they're snarky and mean and enjoy teasing other people all the time. They're Slytherins because they're calculative and smart. They're aware of their strengths and they use it to their advantage. But most of the Slytherins or let's say characters on the 'dark' side weren't really like that. Either they were cowards, or pure evil...
I suppose that's true. Hermione does have a lot of potential and I guess being with someone who could match up to her level would be better. But I don't really mind her and Ron ending up together...
Haha yeah, the epilogue was kind of disappointing. The whole series was so good and I really wish Rowling had written a better epilogue. I can't decide on what I would have liked to see in the epilogue. There's so many possibilities for what she could have written...
Hmm I think out of all the female characters, Hermione is a really good match for Harry. I can't ever think of anyone else who could understand him better. She knows exactly what he's gone through so I think that makes a really strong base for a good relationship. And yeah, Ginny's and Harry's relationship came outta nowhere. They weren't even shown together in the books and then suddenly they're in love? There was no development of their relationship!
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Post by NekoTaku on Jan 10, 2013 17:34:05 GMT -5
When i first read it it was Harry Hermione, now its Draco Hermione
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Post by dejirah on Jan 21, 2013 19:59:11 GMT -5
I'm such a hardcore Drarry shipper... Draco and Harry are my OTP. I really like the ones where Draco and Harry get under each other's skin and pick on each other, but they're still so CUTE! sorry, I'm fangirl squealing over here.
I kinda like Druna (Draco and Luna) as well as Harry and Luna. She's such a cute character. There's so much Ron-bashing here! T^T I love Ron. Sure, he has his problems, but what character doesn't? If he stayed by Harry's side all the time and followed him around, would he have any depth? I think the way he reacted in GoF was quite warranted. He'd wanted to be in the tournament, but they found out they couldn't, then he found out that Harry was in it. Of course he was jealous. If it were me, I probably would have reacted the same way at first. I think he's fantastic. I also like him with Hermione because she can balance out his impulsive behavior with her own. I think they're adorable. I also like Ginny with Blaise. I absolutely abhor her with Harry because (unless it's written correctly) I feel like she really only likes him for his fame. She's liked him since before she was a first year because he was "The-Boy-Who-Lived" But, I like their relationship more in the book than I do in the movies. I kinda like Fred/Hermione. I've never thought of them before and I like the idea.
I also kinda like Remus/Sirius and Snape/fem!Harry. Remus/Sirius always but Snarry only if done correctly. Aasd;lfkjaf sorry, I'm such a shipper...
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Euca
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Post by Euca on Jan 21, 2013 20:05:29 GMT -5
OMG finally someone who doesn't hate Ron! You and I are going to get along well dejirah. *grins* I really think Ron was needed as a character. There had to be someone who was so completely impulsive and moody and funny. Everyone else just thinks so much! And yeah, he and Hermione do balance each other out. I agree that maybe she needs someone who can challenge her, but maybe she's content with someone who can just make her happy. *shrugs*
O.o Ginny and Blaise is pretty common in the fanfiction world. They don't make such a bad couple. Unfortunately, I've already got this whole plot in mind where Pansy and Draco are in love but of course things are never simple with them so they don't end up together. Then Blaise falls for Pansy and they end up married and it's so amazing 'cause he accepts her knowing she'll never completely get over Draco. OMG I can be such a romantic...
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dejirah
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Post by dejirah on Jan 21, 2013 20:13:27 GMT -5
So if Blaise falls for Pansy and they get married, that leaves Draco open for Harry to swoop in and mend his broken heart! =P And did you know JK was going to kill Ron in the sixth book in Slughorn's office? She was going to have Harry forget about the Bezoar. I heard it in one of her interviews and almost cried.
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Euca
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Post by Euca on Jan 21, 2013 20:18:16 GMT -5
Haha sorry, not in my world. I'm very pro tweaking the story but trying to keep some things canon. So Draco marries Astoria. =P
WHAT?! Nooooo. He's amazing. How could she even think of killing him? That's just absurd. That too in the 6th book!
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Post by The Taco on Jan 21, 2013 20:26:45 GMT -5
This is a very interesting discussion. And I'm one of the people who hates Ron. He was a jerk to Hermione when he thought Crookshanks killed Scabbers, he was a jerk to Harry when he thought Harry had entered his name into the Goblet of Fire, he was a jerk to Hermione again when he was dating Lavender, and he was a jerk to everyone when they were Horcrux hunting.
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Euca
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Post by Euca on Jan 21, 2013 20:32:12 GMT -5
And he still stuck by Harry and Hermione all the time. He made mistakes but he realized that and came back and apologized instead of being egoistic. He was a good friend. A jerk sometimes, but loyal and true and honest. *nods*
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Post by dejirah on Jan 21, 2013 20:32:20 GMT -5
True, but I'll still defend him.
And did you know that the woman who played Astoria was Tom Felton's real life girlfriend? He begged her to play the part, lol.
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Euca
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Post by Euca on Jan 21, 2013 20:37:32 GMT -5
O.o I did not know that! That's pretty cool. And really cute too =D
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